Bieber's Bitch wrote:For instance, how exactly is the free solo climber failing to exercise sound judgement? This method of climbing is attractive to some individuals because it presents intense mental challenges and adrenaline rushes. Many climbers have died. Just because it's high risk does not make it imprudent to get involved in the sport, IMO. What would be imprudent/reckless is to attempt to climb somewhere without first mentally mapping your route, or checking what the weather is likely to be like, etc. Taking risks for short-term gains can be consistent with the usage of prudent.
Good point and good post. But I think this prudent business is missing what Este's actual point was. That is not your fault. It was no made very clear. Este would acknowledge that.
Prudence was mentioned in reference to a society's morals. The question of whether solo rock climbing is prudent is of no consequence to the debate about morals.
Understanding Este's actual point is very simple. Think about when Este said we should accept the evidence of our senses. This is a basic truth. It is one of the criterion of sane behavior. Asking why we should accept the evidence of our senses is like asking why we should accept the universe is as old as it appears to be when it is possible that it popped into existence five seconds ago with the illusion of age, and us with it, our heads filled with false memories of a past. We just do. It is foundational. And we build on this foundation other objectively determined truths. It is the same with morality. The basic truth is we care about what is in our own or in someone else's best interest. Asking why we ought to care about that is to ask an irrational question. Sane people do care. It is a fact about humans. With this basic truth we can objectively determine what is in a sane person's best interest. It is undeniable truth that cooperation is what is in our best interest. We are able to meet our needs through a society where members cooperate with one another. Behavior that is conducive to cooperation is what is moral, and behavior that harms cooperation is what is immoral. That is the measure that gives us our objective value of morality. With that basic truth in mind we can tease out all the other truths about behavior that facilitate cooperation, and we can do this objectively, in exactly the same way psychiatrists do in psychiatry using their criteria of mental wellness to identify mental illness. Psychiatric truths are made true by objective features of reality, and that's facts about human wellness. So you should now see why objective moral truths are analogous to objective truths about health. Any objections you raise about the foundation for moral truth are by logical extension objections to the foundation for truths about human health. Is your view of medicine that it is subjective like taste in music is subjective? No, they are in two different spheres, boychick. One is objective, one is subjective.